66% of 'new' vehicles in Q4 were second hand

[bravoray]

* Quote bravoray

Space wise maybe yes,

but the 107/AYGO/C1 is lighter, nippier, faster, more economical therefore cheaper to run , you can choose to have a manual gearbox , it has a decent warranty!,its N E W , has the same Toyota engine as the Vitz too and since it is built by Toyota it will have the same reliability too!

What was your argument again that it has less space?

When you want we race the vitz (13) with the 107 and see who's faster.You forgot to say that when you switch on the ac the 107 hardly moves!Maybe you want to try a race with the ac on as well!

What was your argument again that it was faster?

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Then a funcargo would make more sens then a vitz if its just space that's a priority..., btw if someone manages to put a wheelchair in a 107 on a daily basis( without dropping the seats) I dont see why a pushchair shouldn't fit....

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A wheelchair in a 107 ?on the roof maybe? pull the other one please.!![/quote]



I have seen one , if you haven't tough chocolate cake!

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* Quote bravoray

Space wise maybe yes,

but the 107/AYGO/C1 is lighter, nippier, faster, more economical therefore cheaper to run , you can choose to have a manual gearbox , it has a decent warranty!,its N E W , has the same Toyota engine as the Vitz too and since it is built by Toyota it will have the same reliability too!

What was your argument again that it has less space?

When you want we race the vitz (13) with the 107 and see who's faster.You forgot to say that when you switch on the ac the 107 hardly moves!Maybe you want to try a race with the ac on as well!

What was your argument again that it was faster?

You can not compare a 1.3 litre engine to a 1.0 engine , you have to compare the 1KR-Fe engine in the Vitz with the same engine in the 107, if you know what that means. I had a 20 year old Renault 5 which was faster then a vitz Rs , which leaves you for dead by the time its on second gear so whats the point of comparing a 1.3 litre with a 1.0?

[ACE]

Blink / Bravo ... Da Fak??? Chill guys. What's fast got to do with a super mini. It should be functional. Issa comparing a Vitz with a 107 is pointless. If you want fast get a sports car. If you want I'll race you in the S2000 with the a/c on - bleh totally out of context.

Jes - what RB is saying is that no matter what some people will always prefer 2nd hand cars. I am one of those people. I have bought Various cars brand new - Toledo, Golf, Both BMWs etc etc and have dicovered that the loss is usually bourne by the original owner. You have always proffessed that you are totally anti "used" cars. That is your opinnion and well if you can afford to keep changing your cars to brand new ones good luck to you hux. I'm sure everybody wishes to be the same.

I on the other hand agree with Ron that looking down on imports is stupid. I'm sure that haven't forgot what the "sekind hend" market was like in Malta before the advent of Jap imports!!! The only cars you could buy were either escorts/Capris/cortinas/mercedes 123's or else more modern cars which were totally devoid of extras and/or which usually were crashed a few times because the Maltese used to buy cars for life and only get rid of them when they gave problems.

Ok to try and join up all the arguments. I just bought my mum a mint condition 2003 VITZ. Let us for the sake of argument say that I paid Lm3,000 for it. A 2008 Yaris (said 2008 due to be with the old registration) was Lm7,500.

In 5 years time my mum's car will be worth what Lm1,500??

In 5 years time the "new" Yaris will be worth Lm3,000???

I lost Lm1,500 the new Yaris lost Lm4,500.... do the math. Even if I scrapped my car for Lm50 I could never lose as much as the person buying new. And that is why we have an old/expensive motor fleet because everyone holds on tight to their vehicle because they don't want to lose that kind of money. Anzi they expect to get more money than new. I was just talking to a guy who bought an Auris 2 years ago for €24,000. Not only did this person do the biggest mistake of his life by converting it to the new system (halli minghalih jiffranka) but he is expecting to get €22,000 for his 2 year old car! Da FAK! An 09 Auris 1.4 diesel with all the extras his had from the uk registered and all is €15,000!

I think that the imports opened up the choice for the maltese enthusiast. Unfortunately the problem is that "mal tajjeb hawn il hazin ukoll" because half the cars being imported are crap, ex salvage etc etc. But our lovely dealers have always tried to sell shite cars to innocent punters. It will always happen - whether they are imported or otherwise.

2 examples. I sold my Pajero with 52,000 miles to a dealer. The next owner bought it with 36,000 from same dealer for Lm2,000 more. I had seen a Porsche Cayanne (the suv thingy) with 42,000miles for sale. The idiot dealer who had the full service history to show you what a good car it is missed the fact that the milage of 87,000miles was showing on the MOT! U dan mhux xi dealer "regattier" zghir

[Jes]

quote]Blink / Bravo ... Da Fak??? Chill guys. What's fast got to do with a super mini. It should be functional. Issa comparing a Vitz with a 107 is pointless. If you want fast get a sports car. If you want I'll race you in the S2000 with the a/c on - bleh totally out of context.[/quote]

Agreed...Ace will race you . I will race Ace and Gary will race me! Point that there is always someone faster than you! And as Ace said a Vitz vs 107 is pointless talking which is faster!

Jes - what RB is saying is that no matter what some people will always prefer 2nd hand cars. I am one of those people. I have bought Various cars brand new - Toledo, Golf, Both BMWs etc etc and have dicovered that the loss is usually bourne by the original owner. You have always proffessed that you are totally anti "used" cars. That is your opinnion and well if you can afford to keep changing your cars to brand new ones good luck to you hux. I'm sure everybody wishes to be the same.

I am sure that anyone would like a new car or a recent second hand car (to be more clear) if they can afford it! I had my share of second hand cars and at times I was very lucky and others I was not! What I am saying is that if new car prices go down than second hand will go down!

As you well know that is acceptable but the situation that imports are so cheap whilst new car remained so expensive is unfair! The result is that all existing local cars have depreciated to UK/imports level is unjust!

[rb10]

As you well know that is acceptable but the situation that imports are so cheap whilst new car remained so expensive is unfair! The result is that all existing local cars have depreciated to UK/imports level is unjust!

Well that is just not true, for how can a local used car be worth as much as it is worth in the UK when you still pay a shedload of reg tax on it.

Nevertheless maybe the final price even now is still less than if all vehicles had to be purchased from new and depreciated here, well and good.

But your campaigning is dangerous for your aim should exclusively be reducing or eliminating taxes on new cars and leave the used-car bashing alone.

You will appreciate that the reason for reg and other taxes is - well I just mentioned it - tax. With the excuse of the environment, etc etc of course but revenue collection is the main aim. In fact these taxes are counter productive environment-wise, no doubt about that. But does not every government enjoy a masochistic populace all too eager to "advise" it how and what should be taxed, especially a misinformed one misguided by interested parties feeding them cliches.

So be careful what you wish for!

[rb10]

If the new car prices are down eventually even the second hand will go down, like what is happening now, not due to prices of new cars have got down but because imports are cheaper to buy and register!
Fihmt jew le?
If local second hand cars go down than there is no need to import from anywhere as our prices are impair with those abroad!
Obviously second hand cars will remain and are essential! But prices are stabilised!

Yes understood of course. Nothing wrong with that logic, anzi.

Reality would dictate that Govt is not going to give up new car tax THAT easily however. Hence the next best thing is the option to buy a better used car and still partially achieve the objectives, leaving aside that anyone should still (as freely as possible) be able to deliberately choose a used vehicle over a new one, irrespective.

We have ample proof of the reluctance of our govt to "let go"

Proof in the way the tax system was "updated". Agree with you and several others that the change has left victims. As Ace (?) pointed out such a change should have been gradually effected over a number of years so the pain is lessened. But no, our govt "baqa jlaqqata sa l-ahhar". So in my opinion zero tax on new cars will only come about when this is forced upon us and not before.

See my previous post which has the "sugu" of everything in the last para.

[krisbi]

an example:

I have set my eyes on the new Porsche Boxster Spyder, right!



Of the prices quoted were wrong!

Awaiting new quotes!

excuse me.. but what's stopping you from buying the new car from the UK? the savings are worth the hassle! and you'll have the same guarantee conditions if not better!

had a similar experience with a merc, altough not brand new.. mercedes uk confirmed to me in writing that I will be benefting from a 3 year warranty.. not 2!